In this Episode of Love your Diagnosis, I talk with Phil Ybarra about his diagnosis of Colorectal Cancer.
Such an interesting journey Phil had with trying to get his symptoms diagnosed. He tried 5 different times to get his symptoms assessed, even had tests where nothing was picked up by doctors that showed he had a tumour the size of a small fist in his prostate.
Phil is an amazing example of using intuition when it comes to looking past the tests and feeling into your sixth sense that something isn't right.
He had the tumour removed finally after one doctor did the right thing by him and found what was going on.
After the tumour was removed he said a big NO to chemo and radiation and instead went into research mode and utilised these ways of prevention and management for himself.
1) Ascorbic Acid I/V (Vitamin C)
2) Integrative doctors and community
3) Cold water therapy/ice baths
3) CBD oil
4) Ketosis and Apoptosis
It's a wonderful story of commitment to addressing the health issues in his body that, even he admits, he helped create through the way he was living in the world.
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Well, hello. I'm Lanie also known as electric girl, and I'm an advocate for empowering people to get back in the driver's seat of their diagnosis. See , I was diagnosed with epilepsy 30 years ago, and basically was never satisfied with hearing from a doctor that pharmaceuticals would be the only approach to controlling my seizures. I just, wasn't going to take it out of my way mortal. So I committed many, many years to researching and finding an answer outside of the Western medicine approach to find a more holistic approach in managing and trading my epilepsy and seizures to love your diagnosis. Podcast is a show about exactly that each week we will be looking into the life of someone who has been diagnosed with a condition or illness, and it has succeeded in managing their diagnosis, both in and outside of Western medicine. To start off, we will look at the Western medicine, prognosis and approach to dealing with their diagnosis inside the square. Then we'll dip our toes a little deeper into this story where we talk about other empowering modalities that worked for those people outside of that square. Basically what put them back in the driver's seat of the diagnosis. So hang around with me while we explore living in and outside the medical square. When it comes to loving your diagnosis, we are here today on the love, your diagnosis podcast. Number four, with Phil Ybarra, I did get that wrong. Did I get that wrong YbarraPhil:
No? That's perfectly well done. Not many Australians manage that, but well done .Lainie:
All right, Phil, thank you so much for saying yes to being part of this. You're the first bloke, you do identify as a bloke don't you?Phil:
Perfect. So tell me what you were diagnosed with how long ago and a brief description of what your diagnosis was o r i s,Phil:
Uh, okay. 2016 colorectal cancer. So I had a tumor in my lower descending colon.Lainie:
That was the simple diagnosis, colorectal cancer. Okay. So if you could set the scene of what was going on in your life before this diagnosis, where you're partying, were you eating crap, were you overweight, what , what was kind of going on for you in your life at the time of your diagnosis?Phil:
I was vegetarian. I lived very well. I had an organic farm. I was pretty much stress free in so many ways. Um, but I had , uh , obviously a different attitude than what I have todayLainie:
In regards to whatPhil:
Just living and stuff. You know, I was very , uh, I'm a business lad basically, and that's what I've done in Australia has just been a business lad really. And, you know, cause if you look into the metaphysics of it all, or, you know, is , is that a word where you can say you get your cancer or your elements in your life, if you're into that sort of thing, that alternative sort of look you it's , your colon is holding onto things.Lainie:
Love That. All right. We'll get into that in a second. You know, I guess with any diagnosis you reach a turning point. Well, I guess before, even a diagnosis were t heir symptoms you're ignoring for a while or being in denial aboutPhil:
Nope, Nope, no. The worst symptoms are ignoring. I was bloated. I had all the typical signs of colorectal cancer now, now , you know, when I , obviously, because when you're diagnosed with cancer, you go down the rabbit hole and you , you research every single little thing that you can, you know, . You, you go down the , the world of Google, which isn't very helpful sometimes, you know? Uh, and I had issues for years and years and years, and I was going to see a particular doctor in Byron bay, which I can't mention his name. Um,Lainie:
But why can't you mention him? Well,Phil:
I had the opportunity to take him to the cleaners and I chose not to, because I was in a journey of, of , uh , I was just in a better place than being bitter or twisted or probably a little regret that I do have that I didn't do that didn't take him to the cleaners. You know, there's plenty of companies that would have jumped all over him and taken his practitioner's license off him, but sure. Okay .Lainie:
So we , we won't go too deep into that, but what you're saying is that he didn't do the right thing by you medically, did he miss something?Phil:
I have , uh , a you obviously you can research, you can look at your history its all on Medicare and you can see how many times I actually went in to get my PSA done , which is for your prostate, because I said, there's something wrong with me. You know, Medicare, you're only permitted to get, I think, two tests a year for your PSA. I think I had five in about seven months and I said, there's something wrong. I told him , you know, I was, I was bleeding, you know, and he said, oh, it's piles. I said, it's not piles. I said I'm bloating. And I, it , the end of the day, I actually got my own poo test and I did that and it came back negative. So everyone on your 50th birthday, everybody gets a poo test sent here and everyone's saying , oh, this is great. This is what happens, you know? And I , I must be okay because it came back negative. My tumor was the size of my fist, you know, a tennis ball , um , a bit bigger than the tennis ball in my lower colon. So I was actually obstructed in my bowels too,Lainie:
Wow. Okay. How uncomfortable for you? And so the doctor that actually did find this out for you, what, what sort of tests did they send you to do?Phil:
I changed doctors. I went to a fantastic doctor, which I'm still with. Um, and he's amazing guy. He's a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful man. And, and , uh, he , uh, threw me in for a CT scan straight up. And I had a scan by a lovely young lady that just come from Sydney and she was all flowing in her gowns and everything. That's it ? Oh, that's nice for you . So you just arrived. She says, yes, yes. I'm going to have a studio and I'm doing yoga and you know, I'm buying scented candles. I said, oh, that's nice for you. And she looked at this, she did the CT and totally missed it.Lainie:
You're invisible. Phil , Mr . Invisible. So that's like a few people that have missed it. All right. So what happened after that ? Who the hell found it?Phil:
Oh yeah. I went to see this doctor was really good, man. And I took a picture of what I was producing out on my bowels and he just looked at it and he just went, oh my God, you need a colonoscopy. And it's going to be too late on the Medicare. It'll be six to eight, 10 months or something. I said, look, I'll pay for it. I'll go to Perth. I'll go to Northern territory. I want one ASAP. So I went for colonoscopy and then I was told there, and then you , you've got a huge tumor. We need to operate on it and, went under the knife, two weeks later. And the surgeon, he was a private surgeon and working in the public health system. Well, I'm not too alternative or anything like that, but , um , I'm up for always exploring different things. But he did say to me, he said, well, you've lost your trust in Western medicine. I said, I sure have you said you have been totally overlooked. And I did a naughty thing at the time. I recorded all conversations, which is illegal to do so, but I did that because when you get diagnosed with a heavy disease, um, sometimes you go in, you're in shock and you don't take it all in. And they use words that you've never heard before. So you go, wow, what is that? You know, God, that's, that's interesting. You know, and me being me, I just like to research things, you know, not being an educated soulLainie:
Coming across as educated in this. So you've lived it. That's the beauty of lived experience. Okay. You had two weeks between when they found it. And when you were under the knife, were you quite relieved because you knew intuitively.Phil:
No, I , I wasn't relieved. Um, because when you get a , a diagnosis of having cancer and they're about to go in and with surgery is that you, your cancer is quantified by TNO1, TNO2, TNO3, TNO4 you'\re fucked, dead, y our t erminalLainie:
What's that For people listeningPhil:
That's the state of the tumor. So, so mine was at TNO1, which is a low grade tumor. It was more than that. It w ould h ave broken the walls of my colon and gone through. And when it does that, the c ells s tart to s eed themselves o ut elsewhere and they grow o ther tumors. So they, then they, t hey have a, u m, an illegal dance party in your body.Lainie:
Well , you weren't relieved. Why?Phil:
No , because you don't know the greater your tumor. You've got to have a grading done. And unless you're in a really good place within your spirituality or soul or whatever it is, I personally like 95% of others you go into fear and shock and the processing of anything like that is massive.Lainie:
Yeah. It's true. And you only had two weeks. Yeah. Cause you could look at it two ways that you finally got your answer and you could stick your finger up to your view of Western medicine and go, I told you so, and I knew that I was right. Or you could just, yeah, like you say, you could just go into total shock and not knowPhil:
At that stage. I just wanted to live. I just had things to do. I want , you know, I knew that I had things to do so,Lainie:
So at the time Phil, the prognosis was surgery. And then what was there chemo involved? What was the Western medicine approach? And then we're going to , then we're going to ,Phil:
Yeah. I had several MRI scans, CT scans, and it was looking good that um, they , they could get, so the solution was primary surgery, so first solution surgery. So that's what they did. And then the prognosis for pulling the tumor out and doing the pathology on it, it was , uh , what type of cells are in that and whether it broken the wall and they, they dissect it. So what I said to the , um, the surgeon at the time, I said, can you video this? He said, really? I said, yeah. He said, oh yeah, we can film it all with you Want and take photos, everything I said, well, yeah, that I'd really like you to do that. So he didn't actually video it , but he took photos and I've still got the photos today.Lainie:
Did you have other people to consider with this surgery or was it just purely about you doing what was best for you? Did you have to consult with a partner or do you have children or anyone else? No.Phil:
No, I didn't have anyone. I was alone. Really. It was about my farm, my businesses and stuff. I don't know the house was on the market and everything. Cause I couldn't cope with it anymore. And I , I was going to go under the knife and I wanted to go back to the UK. That's where I wanted to go back. But I had to get, well first, but I met a lovely lady. So I ended up staying,Lainie:
Always good medicine. Okay. Now I know that you've done a lot of amazing things on the other side of this. So this is where, this is where the podcast gets really exciting because we've explored the medical side and what the diagnosis was and all that. But then afterwards, when it comes to treatment and management and you know, long-term management, so it doesn't come back. What then did you put in place to take care of yourself outside of Western medicine?Phil:
What did I put in place? I did many things, many, many, many things. Uh , I started a regime of Ascorbic acid, vitamin C IVs. I sold my farm. I joined the community out in Numanbar valley. Um , that was all about integrated medicine. Um, I got introduced into some great doctors that are into integrated medicine on the Medicare watch some of them. And this, this is what I will say is that chemotherapy and radiation have its place. You know, everybody basically in this area, in the Northern rivers, everyone goes, oh , chemo . No don't have that. Don't have that. You know, it was, this it's that. And, but when you're in that position yourself and you have to look into it and you really look at what, whether it's targeted nowadays and what, you know, it's target specific. It's not like it's just blasting you or anything like that. You know, my tumor was that big. They thought they might have to radiate it to shrink it. So basically that's just cooking it. And it's so precise within a 10th of a millimeter to shrink it, you know? So I balanced the two integrative medicine and Western medicine. So I went on a regime of , uh, I joined the community. Uh, I did, I started doing meditation every day, two hours a day. So I learnt , learnt how to meditate properly. And I , I did cold water therapy, ice baths, CBD oil, say water, the list goes on AndLainie:
You did keto as well. Didn't you?Phil:
Yeah, I did the keto diet. And then I furthered in keto . I forced myself into what apoptosis, which is cell death, which is really strong ketogenic diet, you know, where you divide your ketones by your glucose and you get a GCI number or forget what it is. And cell death is at three, I think like that. So it's a natural detoxification for your body that all mutated and fragmented cells basically die. So, you know, it's like, so a cancer cell and what happens in a mutated or a fragmented cell is that they're telling me is don't reach their point of toxic . I think it's called where they die. They forget to die. And so they hang around for a while. Then they go, huh ? Where's the party going on? You know? So then they go, well go and grow a tumor here. So there's ketosis. And then there's the further therapy, which is for a cancer therapy. And it's actually used as a judgment or whatever the word is to run alongsideLainie:
As an adjunct. Yes. was all this propelled by your research or with someone guiding you, was there a doctor or a practitioner that was guiding you to do all these things? Or was this just you in your intuitive thing going, I don't want this shit to come back. I'm going to do whatever I can. I'm just going on to any, you know, trajectory to find .Phil:
Yeah, I became quite obsessed and today I'm not, I do look after myself. It was all off my own back. Really. Um, you just start to hear things and you sorta , you know, your way , you get all these options in front of you and your weigh up , which is which, and what you hear in different reports and studies. And then you , you start to, so I , I love study. I love science. So , uh , you know, and then obviously then you balance it with sitting there and meditating on your navel .Lainie:
So how long were you obsessed for? What was the period of time that you became obsessed with?Phil:
I'm going to put in the podcast notes, some of the things that we've been talking about, because there's so much that you've done and I'm sure that people will be interested to research it themselves. We'll put a list of the, of the treatments that you looked into. You know, it's a , it's a very committed, disciplined thing that you've done there for your health, which, you know, hats off. Uh, even though I'm not wearing one, it would be off if I was wearing one to youPhil:
And some people roll over and just go, yeah, give me the meds and whatever you do. Like I have one message I can send out to everybody or anybody that gets diagnosed with cancer, never trust your doctors . 100%, get a second opinion and research don't be led by the nose ever.Lainie:
I am hundred percent backing that up and get back in the driver's seat of your diagnosis. One final thing Phil, would you say that you live in fear of it coming back or have you just surrendered to it? And now you love the fact that if it does, it does. And if it doesn't, it doesn't,Phil:
It's an interesting thing because after the period of time that I was obsessed with keeping, well, I also came to the point that, you know, when I joined this community and I started going on journeys and crossing off my bucket list around the world, I went to Australia was in India. Um, you know, sanyasa thing to have a look at that. And, and yeah, I did things that I never have done. I learned one thing really is that the bull shit stops and everybody says, cancer's a big journey. You know, the bullshit stops, you know, it's like surround yourself with people that are love kind and compassionate, even if you've got an that in your life. And genuine, authentic people. You're very w ealthy, wealthy person. You know? So I was a business lad for many years. I s till a m, b ut many, many years. And, u m, I was surrounded by bullshit really, you know, and, an d n ow I don't live in fear. I'm in a relationship obviously. And I'm now attached before I wasn't attached. I was keen to leave because I had septicemia, nearly killed me in hospital. So I had two emergency responses in that. And , um, you know, I was ready to leave and I know what's over the other side and it's a beautiful place and it's , uh , it's lush, you know, there's no words can ever explain what , what is there? So my faith in that, in , in, in the, the other side where we're going is amazing and anyone that is passing over that , they're lucky, you know, it's, it's unfortunate for the other people around. So to answer the question in a long way . No, I don't h ave fear. U m, I think I've got a few more things to do. I , I, you know, i t's, you know, projects or different things that I want to do on, I want to achieve for the greater good, rather than f or, the greater good of my wallet.Lainie:
Amazing. Thank you so much.Phil:
I bough those Denon things (DJ controller), you know, we should get together and have a spin on that. That's the greater good for me to have. See people that enjoy and having fun because I believe, you know what I believe if you're coming from a really pure place in yourself, you know, but what means more to me is people that feel love and joy, you know , happiness or a sense of the fun around myself and my partner and whatever we we choose to do. And if people are on that group, it's great. If they're not on that group, they can fuck off.Lainie:
I love that. I love that as the parting statement, we're going to stop there Cause I don't, I don't want anything else to even ruin that last statement. So we'll say thank you for your time and thank you for your experience and sharing it because it's really like, it's a strong thing that you've done for yourself and great words to share with other people. So thanks for your time, Phil , and , um, good luck with everything.Phil:
Thanks very much lovely to see you over zoom.Lainie:
The love your diagnosis podcast is proudly produced by me. Oh, that was just such good news for men in the same situation. Colorectal cancer is what Phil was dealing with. You know, he was very determined. I think the moral to Phil's story is he was very determined to find a way after he had surgery to remove the tumor as part of his prostate, to find a way outside of chemo and radiation. And that determination became an obsession, which is fine if it has to do with overall holistic wellness. As he said, his obsession lasted two years, it was full of the things that he had researched to the bone with great intent, to find a solution, to keep the cancer at bay ascorbic acid IVs, integrative medicine communities, he meditated for two hours a day, cold water therapy, ice baths, the Wim Hoff approach, which has had fantastic results for people. He used CBD oil. He went into a state of ketosis. Keto is kind of, you know , being used nowadays a bit like a fad diet to lose weight, but to get the actual results from a proper ketogenic diet, you actually have to track your ketone index. The GKI it's called the glucose ketone index. That is a single number that gives you a way to monitor the state of your metabolic health. So you've got to track your ketone levels and to do it properly. If you're dealing with something like cancer, it's a real, real daily, daily commitment. He also did something called apoptosis, which gives you an indication if you hit the cell death. So yeah, he was pretty committed to it. And I guess that's what you have to be when you're dealing with not wanting to continually go down an allopathic way of treatment. So I hope you got some real insights into ways that you can help a loved one or get them to listen to this. If they're dealing with colorectal cancer. Yes. As Phil's parting message was never, ever, ever trust one doctor's perspective on your prognosis, it's always good to keep on researching for yourself and get second opinions. And it's really important that other people share their stories so that this information gets passed on. If you enjoy today's show at this stage, all you have to do is listen and tell your friends about it because there could just be a story on here that they've got diagnosed with, or that they can relate to where they get to think outside the square. And a few seeds might be planted in their brains about other ways of dealing with it, besides just what the original diagnosis and prognosis is. Thanks for listening. If you want to learn a little bit more about other options for what you can utilize for your wellness journey, click on the link below to the happy herb company. They've got lots of amazing products to assist in getting you started in your wellness journey. Thanks again for listening. I'm Lainie Chait.